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KYHeirloomer
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Racheal Ray is so full of crap it's no wonder her eyes are brown! When she goes home it's to a cabin a short drive from a major upscale resort destination area. So naturally anything she wants she can find there. The town exists to serve the sophisticated needs of people from New York, and Boston, and like that.
It's like being surprised that Ina Garten can find anything she needs in the Hamptons.
In neither case are they typical of rural or even small town living. And to imply otherwise is the height of irresponsibility (not that that ever bothered anyone on the food network).
The town near where I live is the county seat and is a college town. Population is about 75,000 for the county. Yet the stores here don't stock anything that I need. Not even (maybe I should say "especially") the Kroger.
Here's one example. We have had, the past six or eight years, a growing hispanic population. You wouldn't know that from Kroger, which has two shelves of "Mexican" foods, all of which relate to tacos, cans of refried beans, and similar Tex-Mex convenience products
I can drive to Lexington, where it's somewhat less than a desert. But even so, when any of those celebrity chef's says, "found in any grocery," the stores around here aren't included in that rubric.
To do any sort of meaningful shopping in Lexington requires a full logistics plan, and driving to anywhere from half a dozen to 15 different shops. And I still have to fill in via the internet.
It's like being surprised that Ina Garten can find anything she needs in the Hamptons.
In neither case are they typical of rural or even small town living. And to imply otherwise is the height of irresponsibility (not that that ever bothered anyone on the food network).
The town near where I live is the county seat and is a college town. Population is about 75,000 for the county. Yet the stores here don't stock anything that I need. Not even (maybe I should say "especially") the Kroger.
Here's one example. We have had, the past six or eight years, a growing hispanic population. You wouldn't know that from Kroger, which has two shelves of "Mexican" foods, all of which relate to tacos, cans of refried beans, and similar Tex-Mex convenience products
I can drive to Lexington, where it's somewhat less than a desert. But even so, when any of those celebrity chef's says, "found in any grocery," the stores around here aren't included in that rubric.
To do any sort of meaningful shopping in Lexington requires a full logistics plan, and driving to anywhere from half a dozen to 15 different shops. And I still have to fill in via the internet.
Cook Chatty Cathy
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Bubba you are right about that and it is a sad dilema. I stand corrected on that respect. Maybe what they could use is someone to remind them that they can cook and eat better than eating out at say McD's and such. Of-course it would have to be some sort of an educational program on a major scale. I remember at one time I got a really terrific cookbook when my grandchild was on WIC, it was "The Bean Cookbook" put out by the North Dakota WIC program, and it was a terrific cookbook that I still love and have. If somehow folks could be encouraged to cook nutritious meals and not eat out it would help, but perhaps not.
By the way there is a great book about the true life story of a homeless man it is called "Breakfast At Sally's" and is a truly wonderful read. I highly recommend it to anyone, I bought my baby sister a copy as a Christmas gift and she called me to say she could not put it down. A very insightful look behind the scenes.....
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Bubba707
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Unfortunately most people consider making a box of Kraft mac and cheese to be cooking. Now, I'll admit I get canned ranch style beans because I like em but I use as many fresh ingredients as I can while staying within the food budget. Now, I gotta learn to make my own ranch style beans.....
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KYHeirloomer
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There's more than just cooking education involved. There's a whole social-welfare matrix that has to be broken up and rebuilt, starting with the case workers who actually discourage their clients from bettering themselves.
Until that happens, nothing substantial will change.
I'm put in mind of a great line I recently read somewhere that sort of applies:
Grandma put pies on the windowsill to cool.
Her granddaughter puts them on the windowsill to defrost.
That syndrome, unfortunately, applies to all segments of today's society, not just the poor.
Until that happens, nothing substantial will change.
I'm put in mind of a great line I recently read somewhere that sort of applies:
Grandma put pies on the windowsill to cool.
Her granddaughter puts them on the windowsill to defrost.
That syndrome, unfortunately, applies to all segments of today's society, not just the poor.
chubbyalaskagriz
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RE: "There's more than just cooking education involved. There's a whole social-welfare matrix that has to be broken up and rebuilt, starting with the case workers who actually discourage their clients from bettering themselves."
I won't get political here- even though I am extremely political on a variety of levels, elsewhere. Most of you know me to be an odd conglomeration of liberal and conservative- difficult sometimes for some to figure out, 'cuz ya never know exactly how I'll feel on a particular issue...
But my idea of the perfect system of social welfare and assistance to all in general is the age-old, tried and true: "Give a man a fish he eats for a day- TEACH a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."
None of us does enuf- and need to do more to help our brother. But TOO MANY of us refuse to learn our lesson and become self-reliant, so that we can finally pull back the hand we're holding out. And some politicians and political policies don't encourage the right thing in this area either.
(Okay- I'm finished!)
I won't get political here- even though I am extremely political on a variety of levels, elsewhere. Most of you know me to be an odd conglomeration of liberal and conservative- difficult sometimes for some to figure out, 'cuz ya never know exactly how I'll feel on a particular issue...
But my idea of the perfect system of social welfare and assistance to all in general is the age-old, tried and true: "Give a man a fish he eats for a day- TEACH a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."
None of us does enuf- and need to do more to help our brother. But TOO MANY of us refuse to learn our lesson and become self-reliant, so that we can finally pull back the hand we're holding out. And some politicians and political policies don't encourage the right thing in this area either.
(Okay- I'm finished!)
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If I were truly poor my meals would not be eaten out!!! I would COOK! And I would cook truly nutritious food not JUNK FOOD and Frozen Crap! I would eat a variety of dried beans cooked in many different ways. There would be rice and biscuits with meals as well. I WOULD have a garden and I would can and freeze vegetables, I would save grocery money by doing so, and have fresh sliced tomatoes and fresh greens, and many other wonderful vegetables with our meals. I could spend less on dried beans, rice, flour and all the ingredients to cook these into wonderful meals than I would spend eating off the Dollar Menu at McD's or the Burger King!!! And it would be a heck of alot better for me than their fast food offerings!
I know this would keep us alive, well-fed, happy and healthy
Unfortunately you see many that have not adopted this lifestyle, and, or.... are too lazy to cook or learn to cook! It is a sad but true fact that many do not even like vegetables and their taste buds desire nothing but fast food or junk food. It is sad that their taste buds have never developed, nor a desire to live a healthier life style
You are preaching to the choir here sister. I've always said the same thing. I think even if you can't grow a garden you can do rice and beans. There are a lot of ethnic stores in larger cities that sell produce pretty cheap and if you live in the country then you could grow.
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Cook Chatty Cathy
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I have seen on TV at some of the Inner City Apt. complexes someone comes up with the idea to start roof top gardens, also for instance my Mom-In-Law had hanging baskets and pots in her windows where she grew herbs and tomatoes. Isn't that neat!
Bubba707
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We lived in low income housing for a short time many years ago. I had pots with tomatos just outside the door. Managment sent us a letter demanding they be gotten rid of or face eviction. No reason, just they wanted them gone. I moved them inside and a while later got a 5 day remedy or eviction notice because they were still on the property. Managment of those complexes can be extremely arbitrary.
Cook Chatty Cathy
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STINKING IDIOTS!!!!
You know>>> you give someone a little authority and they become MONSTERS on Power Trips! I have never heard such foolishness in all my life!!!!!!!!!!!
chubbyalaskagriz
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Like jfain, I too have rented at places where it didn't seem an issue. In fact, one complex actually judged a contest and awarded prizes for the best decorated patio- and growing pots, lawn ornaments, bird-baths, etc. were encouraged! I remember one year I won a hundred bucks off my rent when I had a bent willow settee, a distressed replica of a 38-star American flag, and various planters (including several Red-Wing crocks and an antique butter-churn) w/ blooms or geraniums, sunflowers, 'maters and herbs.
Bubba707
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There tends to be a difference between a normal landlord and the landlords of low income complexes, at least I've seen this. Remember the TV show Good Times? Granted that was over the top but it did show the way it works. I think I'd rather live in a crate in the woods than live in low income subsidized housing ever again.
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KYHeirloomer
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Not for nothing, Bubba, but let's keep in mind that low-income housing is subject to a host of local, state, and federal regulations that the on-site manager has to make sense out of. And a lot of those regs deal with restrictions---what residents cannot do.
So, yes, I agree with your basic feeling. I've been there, too. I'd rather live in a box under a bridge then go back to government subsidized low-income housing.
But it isn't always the manager's fault, either.
So, yes, I agree with your basic feeling. I've been there, too. I'd rather live in a box under a bridge then go back to government subsidized low-income housing.
But it isn't always the manager's fault, either.
JFain, "we've come a long way, baby!" in the food
industry over the past 100 years.
I watch Food Network every day even if just for an hour after work. I love Sandra Lee's recipes. I adore the cake competition probably because I am a former certified professional cake decorator. I appreciate the hard work that goes into it. I have traveled to and competed in some of the cake shows and I have met the folks that you see judge the cake shows. Charm City Cakes is 20 minutes from where I live, I have never been there to check it out in person because that is not one of my favorite shows.
If we all enjoyed the same shows, chefs, recipes, etc. TV life, as it is, would be boring. You have heard the old adage... "to each his own."
Chubbs, better stay away from those in-the-raw cook shows, they'll get you in trouble, kid. Most importantly, don't try it at home while using hot liquid.
industry over the past 100 years.
I watch Food Network every day even if just for an hour after work. I love Sandra Lee's recipes. I adore the cake competition probably because I am a former certified professional cake decorator. I appreciate the hard work that goes into it. I have traveled to and competed in some of the cake shows and I have met the folks that you see judge the cake shows. Charm City Cakes is 20 minutes from where I live, I have never been there to check it out in person because that is not one of my favorite shows.
If we all enjoyed the same shows, chefs, recipes, etc. TV life, as it is, would be boring. You have heard the old adage... "to each his own."
Chubbs, better stay away from those in-the-raw cook shows, they'll get you in trouble, kid. Most importantly, don't try it at home while using hot liquid.
Definitely to each his own I just wish they hadn't gotten rid of every show I liked and replaced them with shows that seem repetitive. I agree a lot of work goes into the cakes I just personally don't like to watch them.
Cook Chatty Cathy
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I adore the cake competition probably because I am a former certified professional cake decorator. I appreciate the hard work that goes into it. I have traveled to and competed in some of the cake shows and I have met the folks that you see judge the cake shows. Charm City Cakes is 20 minutes from where I live, I have never been there to check it out in person because that is not one of my favorite shows.
Chubbs, better stay away from those in-the-raw cook shows, they'll get you in trouble, kid. Most importantly, don't try it at home while using hot liquid.
MsMai I am so glad to read you also like them, my granddaughter and I get a kick out of watching them! One of the best laughs we ever had together was when a head fell off a lion of one of the chef's cakes during the judging! She and I laughed and giggled half to death, we went to bed laughing and woke up the next day laughing!!! We love Charm City Cakes! I wish I could go with you to visit it! I wonder if they are as nice in person?
Oh, also you know I still haven't found any of those shows Chubbs was talking about...Dang nab it!!!!!
I even had my popcorn all popped and was ready to settle in........aw well